GTX 860M vs GTX 850M

GTX 860M GDDR5 vs GTX 850M DDR3, 1080p, FPS

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I’ll cut to the chase – Nvidia GTX 860M and GTX 850M are the new high midrange GPUs for gaming laptops. GTX 860M equipped laptops are already available for around $900-$1000 from several manufacturers (check $1000 gaming laptops recommendations) and more will come soon.

Generally, the GTX 860M delivers the same performance like the older GTX 770M with significantly lower power requirements, lower typical price point and with some extra features (battery booster for example). So, the GTX 850M should be an interesting option too as it’s basically the same chip, but how is the DDR3 memory affects the performance of the same chip in this case?

Let’s start with a basic info table:

Modelcore (stock)memory (stock)Power
GTX 850M (Maxwell)GM104 (Maxwell), 640 cores@830HZ-1100MHZ(?) + boostDDR3@1GHZ (2GHZ effective), 128-bitAlso GDDR5 option, according to some sourcesaround 40W
GTX 860M (Maxwell)GM104 (Maxwell), 640 cores@1030MHZ + boostGDDR5@1.25GHZ (5GHZ effective), 128-bitprobably around 40W-45W
GTX 870M (Kepler)GK104 (Kepler), 1344 cores@941MHZ + boostGDDR5@1250MHZ (5GHZ effective), 192-bit~100W probably (peak ofcourse)

The GTX 860M and GTX 850M are actually the same chip, coupled with different memory chips with the GTX 860M getting the faster GDDR5 chips with effective speed of 5GHZ compared to the much lower GTX 850M DDR3@1GHZ resulting in 2GHZ effective. The GT 750M GDDR5 had a big advantage over the GT 750M DDR3 of up to 80% in some games. This is a huge difference, but we’ll see how much this difference actually plays a role in the final gaming performance.

Lets look at the numbers (thanks, nbc – soon our own numbers!). In these benchmarks, the GTX 850M core clocks were as high as the GTX 860M clocks.

 

GTX 860M GDDR5 vs GTX 850M DDR3, 1080p, FPS GTX 860M GDDR5 vs GTX 850M DDR3, 1080p, in percentage
The average advantage is ~38%, which is significant. These benchmarks are made with GTX 860M and GTX 850M which are clocked the same in the notebookcheck benchmarks, around 1060MHZ-1080MHZ, so the core clocks difference is much neglectable for most of it. The other difference is that NBC used an I7 for their GTX 860M benchmark and an I5 for their GTX 850M benchmark.

The only difference that is significant otherwise is the memory bandwidth difference which is around 2.5 times in favor of the GTX 860M. This translates to this advantage in FPS. We can see that in Dota 2 the difference is lower which seems in one line with other benchmarks of Dota 2, showing that it is less memory bound than some of the others. The difference in Crysis 3, for example, can be also strongly related to the I7 vs I5 issue in this case. We’ll test it soon.

The other thing we see is that the GTX 850M DDR3 is quite potent anyway.  Unlike the GT 750M GDDR5 vs DDR3 difference which could be very high and up to 80%, in this case, the new Nvidia architecture is kicking butts better, with lower memory bandwidth (at least according to these test). The GTX 850M delivers the same performance level of the GTX 760M/765M on average, easily allowing high graphics settings gaming.

Currently GTX 850M equipped laptops are not really available for reasonable price except the Clevo W650SJ based laptops like Sager NP6658, Eurocom Electra 2 and more, which are all basically the same with minor differences. These are sold for like $830 (M4) with 1080p IPS display and GTX 850M which is a nice deal. GTX 860M laptops for around $1000 (Sager NP7338 / Clevo W230SS) and more will come soon.

So, in terms of gaming performance for price, the GTX 860M equipped laptops do provide higher cost efficiency. However, as said before, the GTX 850M is a very potent by itself, so you might want to save some money and get a laptop with a GTX 850M as it will allow to anyway to play most games on high and very high settings.

bottom line, wait for new models to see the whole picture. Check the gaming laptops under $1000 recommendations.

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Jaafar
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Jaafar

Is this one good for gaming ?
Hp envy 15 k008ne
Core i7 4510u
Gtx 850m 4gb
8 gb ram

Junky
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what games?

John
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John

Junky Great article. Similar question to the guy below but wondered if you had a quick answer off the top of your head?

Asus N550JK (i7-4710HQ/850m) or the Acer Nitro V (i5-4210H/860m) – which is better overall in terms of bang per buck?

I’m assuming you’ll say the Acer (because of the 860m)? Pricewise I’m looking at a $90 saving if I get the Asus and wondered if it’s worth saving the $. Is it possible to overclock the memory on the 850m to give ~ 860m performance levels or is the DDR3 v DDR5 performance difference still too big?

Junky
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Well!!
You’d be good with both of these GPUs for at least medium-high settings and in some games even higher than that easily. The 860M is much more powerful ofcourse, but the 850M is powerful too

What’s your budget?

John
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John

Budget is as little as possible 😉 If it wasn’t for the fact that both my laptops have malfunctioned in the last year, leaving only my Chromebook left (bring it on!!), I probably wouldn’t be in the market for new laptop. That said, I don’t want to save $ if it’s going to be false economy and it’s not going to run stuff in a years time….

Personally, I like the looks/build of the Asus but it’s slightly heavy and I’d regret it if I were to buy it but find that games start chugging on it!

What do you reckon? 🙂

Junky
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let’s say it like that – if you are ok with high settings@1080p, you’d be ok, meaning – not the highest settings, but pretty good settings. Sometimes, in very heavy games, like Crysis 3, maybe medium-high settings with the 850M

I think you can get the 860M for around $800-$850. I’m telling you because I really don’t know what you’ve seen. The N550JK advantages are good keyboard and very good display compared to the Y50 and even the V15 (which has good display, but might be too dim)

John
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John

Many thanks for your time and the replies! Having pondered things further and looked at a ton of benchmarks, I’m think I’m going to have to go for an 860m based machine simply because it’s more future proof and will (probably) provide more longevity, even those I prefer everything else about the Asus. In the quite a few recent 2015 released games, having a 860m over an 850m can be the difference in playable or not playable at 1080p / high, as each card can hover either side of that 30fps mark. If that’s for 2015 games eg. Evolve, I… Read more »

John
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John

Just noticed there’s the Asus ROG G551JM with i7/860m as well, which is even cheaper that the i7 Acer….

That or the equivalent Acer?

Junky
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That’s why I keep asking about your budget.. or at least the links you are looking at
I don’t know if you are seeing a refurbished N550JK for $750 or Acer V15 for $850 or something else
The G551JW with IPS display is selling for $960 now

John
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John

Ordered now. (Actually, it’s a pre-order but same thing). Only downside is that it’s going to take ~3-4 weeks as it’s the refreshed model.

Intel Core i7-4720HQ processor
8Gb RAM
1Tb storage
8Gb SSD + 1Tb (1000Gb) Hybrid HDD
15.6 inch HD display (1920×1080)
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 960m 2G dedicated graphics
Windows 8.1
DVD Super Multi drive
WiFi
3x USB 3.0; HDMI; RJ-45
Size: 39 x 25.7 x 2.4 cm
Weight: 2.4 kg
Acer V Nitro VN7-591G laptop

Junky
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why no links!

John
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John

Interestingly the new 960m based Nitro V also comes with a different panel – supposedly brighter than the slight poor contrast one of the previous gen:

http://laptopmedia.com/review/acer-aspire-v15-nitro-black-edition-vn7-591g-gtx-960m-same-body-more-powerful-internals/#display-and-sound

Junky
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The same as in the VN7-571G I’m testing now! Indeed brighter

Rob
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Rob

Hey, sorry to necro this thread, but i saw your comment and I was wondering on what sites you were finding these prices? Everywhere I’ve looked, the prices are significantly higher. Thanks!

Junky
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Hi Rob!

1. which prices?
2. Remember that I don’t update the prices after a point
3. Newegg, Amazon, Eurocom.com, Xoticpc, adorama, B&H, eBay…

Pauline
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Pauline

Shopping for a gaming laptop and can’t decide on which one to get just to play Star Citizen.
Are Medion’s Erazers worth the money?
Here’s my list and not on it which I am also considering is the hp ENVY 15-k078nz …

I would appreciate your opinion.

Junky
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Can you open a thread over the forums? I’m trying to keep the comments to talk about the post’s content itself

From the list, I’d go with the N551JM – it’s as fast for gaming as the others and has excellent 1080p IPS display

João Costa
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João Costa

hi! congrats for the website, really cool.

im looking for this 2 bundles :
i5 4200 + gtx860 ddr5 (900€)
i5 4200 + gtx850 ddr5 (730€)

What is your prefer ? the laptop is for games.

Junky
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only those? Spain?

João Costa
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João Costa

This two are 2 msi! Another option is the asus i7 4700 with gtx850 ddr3.
From Portugal!

Junky
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The 860M is the faster, but can you post it over forums?

Junky
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are you there?

João Costa
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João Costa

yes

Junky
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I just prefer that you post it over the forums – because I want recommendations to go to the forums and to keep post’s comments about the post’s content directly

It’s ok with you?

marco fava
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marco fava

I’ve recently bought an HP Envy with a core i7-4510u and a GTX 850m 4gb ddr3,12gb of ram and it even has a nifty 1tb Hybrid HDD the screen is the only complaint as it is non IPS and only 1366 by 768, but I overlooked it since it only cost me 639.99€ which was a bargain considering what it has, I was initially afraid the low voltage CPU may bottle neck the thing but so far it’s been a monster and with a bit of tweaking on the core and memory clock I managed to get the 850 to… Read more »

Junky
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great to know! you can replace the display manually if you want with a good 1080p IPS display, probably. Can you check with HWInfo what is the monitor model you’ve got?

marco fava
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marco fava

I thinks its a standard HP TFT 1366×768 display HWInfo does not recognize it strangely, it is not really problem forbme that the display is not great since its good enough and seems to do just fine

Junky
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not at all? not even some model code?