Eurocom Q6 Review (I7-8750H, GTX 1070 Max-Q, Clevo P955ER)

Eurocom Q6

In Short

The Q6 (based on the Clevo P955ER) is a formidable 15.6″ compact gaming laptop with a very good 144HZ IPS display (optional), but think carefully if you really want to sacrifice some qualities like thermal performance for it. Otherwise, simply don’t get it.

Like its competitors in this class of laptops it’s rather hot, and in terms of gaming cost effectiveness, the Q6 is currently not the most cost effective option be default. However, with 10% off for students and choosing the I5 CPU over the I7, the Q6 is more cost effective. As unique features and options, the Eurocom Q6 offers an I5-8300H CPU (less hot, better clocks under load), default TPM 2.0 chip and LTE SIM slot with antennas prewired, for those who use cellular connection directly via their laptop. Choose the right variant for yourself. Some configurations are more suitable for Eurocom’s Q6 offering and some are for others, like Sager NP8955 or base Clevo from some stores.

Fast 144HZ IPS, good colors (~98% sRGB)
Compact high performance gaming laptop
Very comfortable keyboard
Connection ports selection
Solid, simple looks
Very high temperatures
Performance/price ratio compared to non-compact models
Speakers
Maintenance
Eurocom Q6 Specs
CPUIntel I7-8750H (Coffee Lake 6c / 12t, 2.2 - 4.1GHZ)
GPUGTX 1070 Max-Q (laptop) (Pascal), GP106, 2048 cores @ 1.1GHZ - 1.379GHZ, 8GB GDDR5 @ 2GHZ (8GHZ eff.), 256-bit.
RAMDDR4 2400MHZ 2x8GB
Storage

2.5″: 7mm bay. 1TB 5400RPM HDD Seagate ST1000LM048-2E7172

M.2: 1xM.2 NVMe PCIe x4. Samsung PM961 512GB.

 

 

DisplayLG LP156WFG-SPF2
Weight & Dimensions (w x d x h)
2.233kg / 4.92lbs. PSU: 0.400 / 10.85lbs
380mm x 249mm x 18.6mm, 14.96" x 9.8" x 0.73"
KeyboardSelectable unicolor backlit, 4 levels
IO Ports
left : Kensington Lock, DC power-in, HDMI 2.0, 2xmDP 1.3, 2 x USB 3.1 Type-C, 2xUSB 3.0 Type-A
right : RJ-45, Card reader, USB 3.0, 2-in-1 Audio Jack (Headphone + S/PDIF output); Microphone-in
top : Fingerprint reader
Camera720p@30FPS camera
WirelessIntel 9462AC 1x1
EthernetRealTek RTL8168/8111 1Gb
Speakers2.0
Battery55Wh
Bios/EC7.005 / 5.2
MoreTPM 2.0 on-board (Infineon SLB9665 TCG), LTE SIM slot with prewired antennas

The Eurocom Q6 is based on the Clevo P955ER (like the Sager NP8955) and belongs to the thin & lightweight high performance gaming laptops segment, to which also the Gigabyte Aero 15X. Aorus X5 and Asus Zephyrus GM501 belong. It’s packed with relatively high performance but high efficiency CPU, the Intel I7-8750H, and GPU, the GTX 1070 Max-Q, limited at around 80W TDP, as opposed to the regular GTX 1070.

The highlights of this model are its display, I5 CPU option, LTE slot, weight and size and ofcourse that it’s packed with high performance components in this small form. A 144HZ IPS display is optional (Sager has by default). Weight is around 2.2-2.3kg including HDD, SSD, RAM and its PSU is relatively lightweight at around 400 grams.

Compared to the competition, the Q6 has an optional I5-8300H CPU instead of the I7-8750H, a variety of display panels, including the older 120HZ 5ms TN panel and a 4K 60HZ IPS. It also costs more than the Sager competition, but Eurocom has 10% student discount which might make it more or less the same. It’s considerably cheaper compared to the Gigabyte and Asus models, but when configured the same, the total cost is probably around the same.

 

Build quality, Case, design and looks

The build quality of the Q6/P955ER, according to the specifications page it’s made all from aluminum alloy, except perhaps, the bezel. I’m not sure if it’s all metal or in some areas it’s only about a metallic finish, because the base cover sure felt and behaved like the usual plastic case. It is, supposedly better than plastic in standing against pressure and protect inner parts, though usually damage is done to the inner components because of shocks, dust, and other things. Chassis base unit is firm, screen’s outer lid can be twisted a bit by force and it also yields under some pressure, thus not protecting the panel itself from high pressure (like, say, some business class laptops). The chassis’ edges finish is good, so no fear of getting cut like in some rare laptops.

Looks

Looks are simple and solid. All black plastic, with no big logos. The upper surface is  flat, except for the keyboard depression.

Maintenance and inner parts

Maintenance of the Q6/P955ER is not the easiest. To access the inner parts, you have to remove the bottom maintenance panel and for that you have to first remove the screws under the keyboard. To remove the keyboard you have to release the two screws at the bottom that hold it (there is an icon near these on the chassis). Then, unscrew four screws under the keyboard, and only then the bottom panel will be removed.

The soldered CPU and GPU share no heatpipe. The CPU is the one to the right with two dedicated heatpipes leading to a single fan, with two fronts of heatfins (to the side and to the rear of the laptop). The GPU is in on the left (of the picture below), with three heatpipes going to the two fans on the left + one heatpipe for the VRAM going to the same fan as the CPU. Cool air is sipped from the bottom and thrown out through the rear and left side of the laptop. This cooling solution seems very adequate for the GPU, but almost always its the CPU that gets hotter and another small heatpipe going to the massive GPU cooling complex might be beneficial.

Connection ports selection is vast and includes 2xmDP 1.3 ports, HDMI 2.o, 2x USB 3.1gen2 Type-C, SPDI/F and a fingerprint reader. No thunderbolt 3 though.

 

 

Keyboard and touchpad

The keyboard is quite comfortable, keys are well spaced, stable enough and have sufficient travel depth and feedback. Personally I’d like to have a little more resistance, but it’s not mandatory or cruical as this keyboard feels soft and pleasant for typing.

The backlit color and brightness can be configured for the whole keyboard or for one of three parts (left, mid, right).

Clevo keyboard software

 

The touchpad is big and its texture smooth to touch. Two dedicated buttons are located at the bottom of the pad. I had good experience with this touchpad. It’s not exceptionally good in terms of accuracy or sensitivity, but it was comfortable to work with.

Sound & Speakers

OK sound, sometimes pleasant. The Q6 is equipped with 2.0 speakers system, located at the top of the base, near the hinges. These two little speakers actually produce good mids and mid-lows sound, and produce pleasant balanced sound for some types of music. Clarity is relatively good with low distortion (voices sound well). Also, it doesn’t sound as boxy as in many other laptops. However, the sound is obviously shallow, lacking richness and  some of the spectrum or, alternatively, seriously unbalanced. Lows are missing. In high volumes the sound gets messed up.

I wouldn’t say these are bad speakers, but they are very basic.

The laptop has a “Sound Blaster Connect” software available for it, but I had trouble making it effect the sound. Uninstalling and reinstalling didn’t help and worse – couldn’t see the “Sound Blaster Connect” app anymore, for some reason, no matter what I tried.

Performance

Test Methods & Drivers

Synthetic 3D benchmarks

Eurocom Q602,0004,0006,0003DMark | Tim…4751.000FPS
Eurocom Q605,00010,00015,0003DMark | Fire…12298.000FPS
Eurocom Q602,0004,0006,0008,0003DMark | Fire…6360.000FPS
Eurocom Q6010,00020,00030,00040,0003DMark | Sky…30947.000FPS
Eurocom Q6050,000100,000150,000200,0003DMark | Ice…167384.000FPS
Eurocom Q6020,00040,00060,00080,000100,0003DMark | Ice…89273.000FPS
Eurocom Q6020,00040,00060,00080,000100,0003DMark | Ice…89733.000FPS
Eurocom Q6010,00020,00030,00040,0003DMark | Clo…31464.000FPS
Eurocom Q605001,0001,500VRMark | Blu…1392.000FPS
Eurocom Q602,0004,0006,000VRMark | Ora…5987.000FPS
Eurocom Q60100200300400VRMark | Cya…372.000FPS
Eurocom Q6020406080100FAHBench83.109FPS
Eurocom Q60246FAHBench6.780FPS

Gaming performance

Gaming performance of the Q6 is in the range of what could be expected from this hardware. Meaning, it doesn’t add or take significantly from the performance compared to other laptops with the same hardware.

However, the question of what you actually get from a GTX 1070 Max-Q and the powerful 6 core, 12 threads CPU remains. As you can see in the table below, the GTX 1070 Max-Q advantage over a GTX 1060 6GB laptop (non max-Q) is varying. In general, the GTX 1070 Max-Q offers around 25-35% higher performance on average. That’s a nice improvement, but in terms of performance/price ratio, it doesn’t match a $900-$1000 GTX 1060 gaming laptop from current or previous generation. It’s not unique to the Eurocom Q6, though, and its also not supposed to be the major and only strength of this type of laptops.

Eurocom Q6 (GTX 1070 Max-Q)GTX 1060 mobile, bestP750TM1 (GTX 1070, I7-8700K)NBC GTX 1070-MaxQNBC GTX 1060 Max-Q
BF1, “Ultra”@1080p90801249768
Ashes Of Singularity, “Crazy”@1080p463257
Deus Ex : Mankind Divided, Ultra, AAx2@1080p4031454027
Rise Of The Tomb Rider, “Very High” preset@1080p87761118655

Numbers for the NBC tests were taken from notebookcheck GTX 1070 and 1060 Max-Q pages (link, link)

It’s a question whether the extra 20-35% gaming performance on average is worth it (and it’s probably not). For example, A previous generation Asus GL502VM now selling for less than $1000 including regular GTX 1060 6GB, GSync, 12GB RAM (link) and even the cheapest P955ER is not as cost effective as this.

The advantage over a GTX 1060 Max-Q is around 35-60% at most. GTX 1060 Max-Q equipped laptops are available for as low as $700-$750 from Dell (G3, G5, G7, 7577) and sometimes lower with discounts. They provide much better performance/price ratio for $700 compared to a $1600-$1700 P955ER with GTX 1070 Max-Q, although not having the 144HZ IPS screen or option (maybe perhaps when installed manually)

 

Metro : Last Light

DirectX 11, AVG
Highest
Very high
High
Medium

Thief

AVG
Highest
Very high
Medium

Bioshock Infinite

AVG
Highest"Ultra" preset
Very high"Very High" preset
High
Medium"Medium" preset
Low

Rise of The Tomb Rider

AVG
Highest
High
Medium
LowNo FXAA

Ashes Of Singularity

DirectX 12, AVG
Highest
Very high
High
Medium
Low

Battlefield 1

DirectX 11, AVG
Highest
Very high
Medium
106

Thermals, Throttling & Noise handling

Stress tests and throttling behavior

In the Q6/P955ER/NP8955 cool air sucked from the bottom of the machine (hence, it’s important to keep its bottom above the sitting surface) and is thrown from the rear and side (in the case of the CPU). Bigger fins would be beneficial to get rid from the hot air, but the laptop tries to be small.

Four tests:

1. Idle, power saver mode (manually)

2. Gaming : Metro Last Light, highest settings. Highest “Performance” power mode.

3. Prime95 torture test. Highest Performance power mode. Also, same test with CPU downvolted by 120mV.

4. Prime95 + Furmark on 1600p test, AAx2. Highest performance power mode. Also, same test with CPU downvolted by 120mV.

5. Aida64 stability test (CPU, FPU, Cache) + Unigine Heaven benchmark, extreme preset looping.

* In all tests, the laptop is placed on a cooling pad, to lower blocking of the ventilation pathways.

CPU: stable temps [C]CPU: max temps [C]CPU: stable clocksCPU: average utilizationCPU: max utilizationGPU : stable core temps [C]GPU: utilization
Idle40421.12.470
Prime9587943.01001000
Prime95 CPU@-120mV88943.3100100
Prime95 + Furmark90942.31001007895
Prime95 + Furmark, CPU@-120mV73942.21001007491
Metro Last Light, Highest@1080p82863.440977097
Aida64 + Unigine Heaven Benchmark87993.01001006895
Aida64 + Unigine Heaven Benchmark, CPU@-120mV, fans max speed80982.351001006995

With default fans profile – the “Max-Q” profile, the Q6 doesn’t do very well in terms of CPU temperatures, even when running only P95. Running P95 + Furmark results in CPU clocks playing around 2.2-2.5GHZ. In the Aida64 stability test + Unigine Heaven benchmark, the CPU clocks are higher, around 3.0GHZ, but temperatures sometimes nearing 100C as well, mostly in between the Unigine Heaven scene loads, when Aida64 has the CPU all to itself.

However, two software modifications improved the situation considerably: (a) Setting the fans’ speed to maximum and (b) downvolting the CPU. I used -120mV downvolt. Could perhaps go lower.

In P95 + Furmark stress test with both these modifications, the CPU temperatures were considerably lower on average, but the CPU clocks still remained around 2.2-2.5GHZ. Adding -120mV CPU downvolting, the CPU temps remains under 80C with average clocks around 2.7-2.8GHZ. In Aida64 + UH stress test, applying these two modifications resulted in around 0.3GHZ higher CPU clocks while temperatures are around 6-8C degrees lower. In both cases it doesn’t look like the GPU clocks were improved.

It’s interesting to see that under P95 + Furmark, Total power consumption, according to HWInfo (perhaps via a Clevo sensor?) is around 130W while the Aida64 + Unginie Heaven test see a varying 130-145W power consumption, yet in this test, clocks are higher for both CPU and GPU.

It also seems that the CPU clocks were influenced by the order of running the software. Running the CPU stress first (Aida64 or P95) resulted in quick downclocking and remaining so afterwards, but if the 3D software was fired first, CPU clocks looked better. It’s probably something with the clocks algorithm.

As in many other laptops, the GPU temperatures are pretty good, even at highest loads and maximal TDP (80W, which is much higher than the CPU’s 45W). I’m not sure why manufacturers keep making lesser cooling solution for the CPU. Having said that, this is a compact and very powerful gaming machine and this thermal characteristics are expected and are on par with the competition, more or less.

The I7 6 cores / 12 threads is too much for current games with GTX 1070MQ and is not beneficial. It’s the core count war that has costs in performance and cooling performance. Intel and laptop manufacturers know that the core count have influence in choosing hardware, so they cram more and more stuff, but that’s not optimal for gaming, especially not in such a compact machine.

I would advise three things:

  • Undervolt. No reason not too in this laptop.
  • Change the fans operation profile. Not to maximum speed 24/7, because that’s annoying and counter productive. Choose a custom fans profile that fire up the fans to 100% earlier, without waiting for 90-95C degrees.
  • If you are getting this machine for gaming, go with the I5 CPU, not the I7, for the sake of gaming only laptop, though. It should provide all the necessary fire power, while being less hot and less TDP limited.

As a comparison, these results are worse than the Gigabyte Aero 15X v8 according to the NBC test (link) even with maximal fans speed, but on par with the Asus Zephyrus GM501 (link), though ofcourse, it has a GTX 1070 non-Max-Q.

 

Heat

Even under low load, in “power saver” mode, the laptop chassis gets warm from above and below. Nothing alarming, though, as this is in exchange for low/zero fan speed for the CPU and GPU, so the laptop remains quite. If wished for, fans speed and behavior profile can be customized via Clevo control center software.

Chassis and keyboard temps under Prime95 + Furmark:

WASD: 51 C degrees.

535147
525141
494939

Noise

Under light load and “Quiet” profile (in Clevo control center), the laptop is rather quiet, but CPU fan is almost always on, on low speed. However, even under highest workload, the fans noise is acceptable and doesn’t interfere that much when listening to music.

Screen & Screen quality

The default panel that comes with the Q6 is the LG LP156WF6-SPP2. In this review, the panel in use is the 144HZ IPS LP156WFG-SPF2 / LGD05C0, same as in the Gigabyte Aero 15x v8, according to notebookcheck review.

In my measurements, the LG 144HZ IPS delivered good color palette coverage of around 98% sRGB and 72% adobeRGB, which makes it also adequate for photoediting for the most part. Subjectively, colors looked good. Contrast is around 1:700, which is ok but higher contrast could be benefical. Viewing angles are reatively good.

 

PWM : Not detected or frequency is higher than 5000HZ.

Response times: ~7ms rise, 5ms fall, Black-white. That’s much better than the typical IPS found in gaming laptops, but not as fast as some 3-5ms monitors and also it’s slower than the 144HZ refresh rate of the panel, so the picture changes 144HZ, but pixels might not be able to catch.

Subjectively, the 144HZ display and lower response rates are noticeable and make gameplay smoother. In most games the 144HZ full potential is not fullfilled, especially in more 3D demanding games like Ashes of Singularity. However, many other games like World of Tanks and Fortnite do benefit from such high refresh rate.

ContrastBrightnessBlack levels
680750.11
6601610.24
6902180.32
6902990.43
sRGBadobeRGBNTSC
987468

Battery Performance

The Q6 seems to be geared towards high performance. Even when doing almost nothing, WiFi off, CPU at lowest clocks and the GTX 1070 is off, it will use around 12-13W at least. Typical office work will result in a rather short running times of around 2-3 hours (ofcourse, it depends on the type of work). The good news are that it doesn’t get much higher when watching a youtube movie (Chrome browser), even at 4K.

Issues

  • Sound Blaster Connect software didn’t effect the sound. Uninstalling and reinstalling resulted in not having the software at all, even though installing was successful.
  • Performance sometimes varied considerably beyond reasonable and it’s still unclear to me why. 3DMark Ice Storm results are obviously low

Competing gaming laptops / Alternatives

  • As the Q6 is a rebrand of a Clevo P955ER variant, there are almost exact models like it from other brand. However, the Q6 offers some features and options that the other Clevo based models aren’t – TPM 2.0 chip, slot for optional LTE card including the appropriate antennas in place, and a default IC Diamond 7 thermal paste for the CPU. As a result of the thermal tests, I would recommend going with the I5-8300H CPU instead of the I7.

    • Sager NP8955 for around $1800 from many stores, like XoticPC
    • HIDEvolution P955ER for $1600 with 144HZ IPS and 16GB RAM – link
    • Sager NP9854, with 120HZ 5ms TN panel instead of the 144HZ IPS, which is cheaper. Again, from various stores, like GentechPC
    • MSI GS65 ($1900-$2000), 144HZ display, claimed to have 3ms response times (probably not true). Comes with 250GB SSD, 16GB RAM. Example link: GentechPC. Check Ultrabookreview review of this model
    • Asus ROG Zephyrus GM501 (link), with regular GTX 1070, I7-8750H, 144HZ AHVA, 3ms panel (10ms in practice), 256GB PCIe + 1TB HDD storage. Costs around $2200. NBC review
    • Gigabyte Aero 15X v8 (link), around $2300 with GTX 1070 Max-Q GPU, 512GB SSD, 144HZ IPS. According to reviews, the Gigabyte Aero 15X v8 has the same panel or very similar to the one in the Q6. LG LGD05C0 / LP156WFG-SPF2.
    • In terms of performance/price, forgetting about compactness, many other laptops are much more cost effective.

    In terms of the value/price ratio, the Clevo P955ER based models in some configurations offer more, except a Thunderbolt 3 port. For $1800 you can get a Sager NP8955 with 250GB SSD + 1TB HDD, while the cheapest non-Clevo competitor will cost $2000 with only 256GB SATA SSD (MSI GS65).

    The Q6 is a little trickier because it’s more expensive and you’ll get it for $1800 only with the 10% off discount (and no SSD). However, choosing the I5 CPU instead of the I7, the Q6 will cost a little more than $1600 after 10% off students discount. That’s a good price for this machine.

Conclusion

The Eurocom Q6 is a powerful relatively compact 15.6″ gaming laptop and with a very good 144HZ IPS (almost 100% sRGB coverage), satisfying keyboard, good connection ports selection (though no Thunderbolt 3) simple solid looks, it’s a very attractive package. Gaming performance with the Nvidia GTX 1070 Max-Q provides a small boost over a GTX 1060 (non max-Q) of around 25-35% on average – not a game changer, but a little smoother gameplay. A regular GTX 1070 will add another 20-30% on top of it.

For hardcore 144HZ gamers, it’s important to note that contrary to some description over the web, the current wave of 144HZ IPSs don’t have “3ms” reponse times. In this particular case, it’s around 11-12ms (rise + fall, BW), which is good, but certainly not close to the stated values.

Drawbacks would be the high temperatures under load (typical for its competitors too), maintenance and speakers. Money-wise, for the default configuration, Eurocom Q6 is currently more expensive than other Clevo P955ER based machines. For the MSRP of $1800, you’ll get 250GB SSD and 144HZ IPS , while the Q6 will cost near $2000 just with the 144HZ display, no SSD. However, with Eurocom’s 10% off students discount and the I5 CPU option instead the I7, the cost of Q6 +144HZ IPS upgrade will be a bit over $1600 which is a very good price while having better thermals. That would also be my recommendation for this machine, if you are after gaming.

In comparison to other Clevo P955ER based laptops, the Q6 offers an I5-8300H CPU, default TPM 2.0 chip, default IC Diamond 7 thermal paste for the CPU and an optional LTE sim for cellular connection as well as the right antennas configuration for it. On the other hand, some other brand let you use the Prema unlocked bios.

When and why get this laptop? only when you are sure you are after a more compact high performance gaming laptop. Otherwise, offerings with a regular GTX 1060 or a GTX 1070 are much more cost effective not only in terms of performance/price ratio, but also from the thermal performance aspect and maintenance.

Bottom line, for its purpose of a compact & lightweight 15.6″ high performance gaming laptop, the Q6 / P955ER model are a good option for those who look for a 144HZ equipped model. However, the model is hot, like its competitors. If you don’t need its compactness in specific, other, perhaps bulkier laptops, are advised, for better cooling purposes. The Q6 in specific offers some extra optional features which might be important for some. Configured with an I5 and using the 10% off for students, the Q6 becomes as or more cost effective option compared to the competition and also less hot for the same gaming performance. For the default configuration and/or without the students discount, the Q6 is not as cost effective as other P955ER mentioned in the “alternatives” section.

Compact 144HZ IPS, compact high performance gaming laptop

Fast 144HZ IPS refresh rate, lower response times, almost 100% sRGB coverage, and it's felt
Very comfortable keyboard, with good feedback, response, travel depth and nice backlit colors
A compact high performance gaming laptop
Adequate for 1080p gaming at high refresh rates
Eurocom Q6 special - I5-8300H option, which is as fast for gaming, but considerably less hot
Eurocom Q6 special - LTE slot prewired with antennas, TPM 2.0 chip included.
Connection ports selection is good, including 2xmDP 1.3, HDMI 2.0, 2xUSB 3.1gen2 Type-C
Simple, solid looks

Expensive for the performance + high temperatures compared to other laptops

Quite high temperatures for both chassis and CPU, even with maximal fans speed
Battery running times are so-so, reaching around 2.5-3 hours of typical office/web work
Expensive. Performance/price ratio is considerably lower compared to other GTX 1060/1070 equipped laptops which are less compact
The 144HZ LG IPS response times can't catch with the refresh rate
Speakers are meh, a bit shallow and unbalanced
Maintenance could be easier, requiring removal of the keyboard
No GSync
No thunderbolt 3

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    Hey,

    I was able to get to the internals without removing the keyboard. And that’s on the Eurocom Q6.

    You may want to recheck the assembly steps again.