EVOC Clevo P650RP6-G Review (GTX 1060, I7)

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++ Main reason to consider:

Very good value/price ratio, lots of connection ports and the upcoming official modded Prema bios

-- Main reason to avoid:

No GPU upgrade option (TB3, MXM), heat

Availability

P650RP6 has a “-G” version, which means it supports G-Sync. This is usually the version with the IPS display. I would recommend going with this version

Pro : + Excellent gaming performance for the price with a GTX 1060 + I7-6700HQ
+ No/minimal throttling even under the highest load
+ Official Prema bios, unlocking many options and some more performance probably
+ Discrete GPU mode (G-Sync supported) alongside Optimus functionality (requires a restart)
+ Very comfortable keyboard overall, in my opinion, with very good feedback, response and travel depth and sufficient resistance
+ Cooling system keeps the CPU and GPU temps at reasonable levels while producing relatively low noise
+ Lots of connection ports including 2xmDP 1.3, HDMI 2.0 (not sure; will check), 3xUSB 3.0 + 2xUSB 3.1gen2 Type-C, SIM
+ Relatively low weight and slim body
+ M.2 PCIe NVMe + M.2 SATA + 2.5" SATA bay
+ Good 1080p IPS display (though not great)
+ Speakers are not good, but they have their way with the mids
+ Some level of fan control via software
+ Keyboard leds colors is configurable
+ Very good WiFi solution with good stability, low pings
+ TPM 2.0
+ HIDEvolution specific : optional global warranty (premium), which means two instances free of 2-way global shipping
Con : - No Thunderbolt 3 port
- Most of the keyboard and left palm rest get a little too warm under high load
- No MXM GPU
- Battery running times are relatively short due to smaller battery (vs GT62VR) and same/higher power consumption
- Keyboard key experience is varying across the keyboard, some areas are better
- Screen's outer led can be twisted with some pressure
- 3D performance in some games is lower than in comparable machine (GT62VR, GS43VR)
- Optimus doesn't work well (fires the NV GPU without reason) - solved with fresh OS install
- Getting to the other side of the motherboard in order to change/add RAM is not easy (but not that hard)
- Not a real con, but the two speakers could sound less boxy
- As with other such laptops, the I7-6700HQ can start be a limiting factor to the GPU
- No local warranty internationally (but they offer free shipping internationally)
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Introduction

ComponentDescription
Model NamesEVOC P650RP6-G, Clevo P650RP6-G, Sager NP8152
PriceBasic version: $1230 (no G-Sync, no IPS). Specific Configuration: $1350-$1450 P650RP6-G (G-Sync support, 256GB SATA SSD)
CPUI7-6700HQ (2.6GHZ-3.5GHZ, 45W)
MotherboardNotebook P65xRP / Intel HM170 (Skylake PCH-H)
3xPCI Express x1, 3xPCI Express x4, 1xPCI Express x16
GPUNvidia Geforce GTX 1060 6GB GDDR5, 1280 shadars core@1405-1671MHZ, GDDR5@2GHZ, 192-bit bus
RAMG Skill 2x8GB DDR4@2400MHZ F4-2400C16-8GRS
4 banks of memory available. Two occupied slots are on the hidden side of the motherboard.
StorageHDD : 1x2.5" SATA bay
SSD: M.2 Sandisk 256GB X400 SanDisk SD8SN8U256G1122 (SATA)
M.2: 2 slots, 1xNVMe PCIe M.2 SSD, 1xM.2 SATA

LCD PanelIn review: 1080p 15.6", LG 156WF6 [DELL P/N: 3874Y], IPS, 30-pin eDP
Weight / Dimensions~2.5kg / 5.5 lbs, PSU 0.7-0.8kg
385 x 271 x 24.9 mm
15.16” x 10.67” x 0.98”
(w x d x h)
Keyboardmulticolor backlit, 4 levels including off
Connection Portsright side: Kensington Lock, RJ-45, 1xUSB 3.0, 2xUSB 3.1 gen2 Type-C, Card Reader, SIM slot, S/PDIF digital output, Microphone, headphone
Left: USB 3.0, HDMI 2.0 (maybe 1.4; will check), 2xmDP 1.3
Rear: 1xUSB 3.0, AC
Camera1080p@30FPS camera
WiFi / EthernetWiFi: Killer Wireless-n/a/ac 1535 Wireless Network Adapter
Ethernet: RealTek Semiconductor RTL8168/8111 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet NIC
Speakers2x2W Onkyo speakers, above the keyboard surface
Battery4 cell, 62Wh
Bios / EC version (test unit)1.05.01 /
Extra featuresEmbedded TPM 2.0
more details

The Clevo P650RP6/-G (or P651RP6-G) is the new Clevo lowest high-end gaming laptop. This kind of laptop offers a [relatively] low cost option for those who want fast 3D performance in a thinner laptop. Some extras are cut out, like Thunderbolt 3 port, in this case. The P650RP6 comes with an I7-6700HQ and a GTX 1060 6GB GPU, as well as an 1080p display. The more common and interesting models come with an 1080p IPS display and G-Sync (these are the “-G” models). It also comes with the usual Clevo abundance of connection and storage ports, including 2xmDP (v1.3, which is good), HDMI 2.0 (is it?), USB 3.1 g.2 type-C, 2xM.2 ports (1xSATA), 2.5″ SATA bay and more. It’s interesting to know that the G-Sync functionality in the P650RP6-G model can be turned off in favor of Optimus via software (requiring a restart) and vice versa, which is a nice thing to have. The next level model is the Clevo P650RS/P651RS that ships with a GTX 1070 instead of a GTX 1060 and we’ll review it soon!

This time, I got the “EVOC P650RP6-G” for a review. EVOC seems to be the new rebrand brand name from house HIDEvolution (link) and seems strangely close to “CLEVO” (I got you HID!). There is nothing different about this model, except it should have a Prema modded bios. Prema, for those who don’t know, is a long time bios modder that unlocked many bioses, mostly known for the Clevo bioses s/he unlocked. It seems that Prema started to work with some resellers like HIDEvolution and Eurocom to provide them with a modded bios, which is great, but I don’t know what it means for the free-to-get modded bios he usually uploading to the site. Unfortunately, the Prema bios is not available for me at this moment and I should retest the machine when it will be available, so at this point, this is a non custom P650RP6-G test.

OK! Let’s start.

 

Build quality, Case, design and looks

The build quality is more or less the same as the previous Clevo P650RE. Outer lid is rather firm against direct 90 degrees pressure, but it can be twisted rather easily and the hinges don’t feel that strong either and should be handled gently. The base unit’s build quality is ok, but not great – you can twist it by holding the opposite corners and twist, but it’s not easy to do so and I wouldn’t worry. Keyboard surface will also yield (a bit!) under high pressure, but that’s also a quality of a keyboard that is easily replaceable. I wouldn’t worry and it’s not interfering with typing.

Overall, build quality is ok, nothing to get fancy about, nothing to worry too much. The screen’s outer lid will provide some protection if the laptop is closed, more than the MSI GS43VR for example.

 

Looks

The P650RP6 looks are the simple plastic with metal finish or metal. It doesn’t look too cheap.  Those who don’t like flashy styling will find such a machine a good option, visually.

 

Maintenance and inner parts

Maintenance is rather easy. The backplate is easily removed by removing ~10 screws. You’ll find two M.2 storage connections, one of the is a SATA M.2 port and the second one is an M.2 PCIe NVMe port. Two memory slots are free and the other two are located on the back of the motherboard.

EVOC Clevo P650RP6-G motherboard

 

CPU and GPU are soldered in this machine. The cooling system looks very much like the previous model, with dedicated three heatpipes and two fans for the GPU and two heatpipes for the CPU and a single fan (plus the cooling plate is touching the fan plate). Additional heatpipe connecting both could be great.

Keyboard and touchpad

Keyboard. The keyboard is rather good. I think it is very similar or the same as before: feedback (Have I finished with the click?) and response (how quickly the key is back for another click) are very good. travel depth is good for this kind of keyboard. I do feel that the experience is not even across all keys and it’s slightly felt. Not all keys have the same feedback level (or is it my fingers?). Also, I think that a little more resistance would be good.

The keyboard is a backlit keyboard with programmable colors, which I like very much. Colors seem a little dull compared to the GT62VR, but I liked it nontheless. I took purple and green.

Bottom line – a good keyboard. Not a great keyboard, but a good keyboard. A little more fine tuning and even key quality could be great.

Touchpad. The touchpad is basic with simple texture, but that’s ok. It works well and has two separated buttons. I found it a little annoying to scroll with two fingers as the touchpad would not respond very quickly or well if your fingers aren’t synchronized enough, maybe it’s a software issue. Bottom line, that’s an average touchpad.

Sound & Speakers

Finally sufficient. I may be wrong, but I think Clevo just upped their game with speakers that actually cost more than five cents. The 2 x Onkyo speakers provide boxy, yet pleasant sound, including reasonable bass. I’m not an audiophile, but the mids are a strong point with some richness and deepness, subjectively. Lows and highs are great, but at least they exist, which is better than previous generations (nbc review says it might be the same for the P651RP6, but I don’t remember it like that). Maximal volume isn’t that high and don’t expect to blow the roof with these speakers.

Overall, sufficient speakers. A subwoofer would have been nice. A good upgrade over last generation if I remember correctly.

General subjective performance experience

Added CPU-Z and GPU-Z screenshots.

 

Gaming Performance

Test Methods & Drivers

OS : Windows 10, fully updated

Drivers: Nvidia Geforce 372.70

Summarized gaming performance

The numbers are a little low in some benchmarks, like Metro and Ashes Of Singularity. I've spent lots of time trying to figure it out, but I couldn't (still trying). In AoS, the CPU framerate score is a lot lower compared to the GT62VR. 3DMark Time Spy CPU score is also quite low. There is some obvious problem, but I don't know what it is currently - clocks are very good, temps are relatively low.UPDATE: A fresh install of Windows 10 1607 seem to improve performance in some games. It also seems that the MSI GT62VR 6RD I was comparing too has a more aggressive GPU policy and higher default core clocks. Not much, but it has some affect.Clevo P650RP6-G GTX 1060, I7-6700HQ gaming benchmarks

Crysis 3

Clevo P650RP6-G Review - Crysis 3 GTX 1060 1080p benchmarks

Thief

Thief sees some advantage using Mantle API over the DX11. Heavily Vulkan/DX12 optimized games/game engines should see much higher improvements.

Bioshock Infinite

Clevo P650RP6-G Review - Bioshock Infinite GTX 1060 1080p benchmarks

Total War : Warhammer

The new Total War stuff. The 3D engine has been vastly improved and performance is much better than in the case of Total War : Attila

Clevo P650RP6-G Review - Total War Warhammer GTX 1060 1080p DX12 benchmarksClevo P650RP6-G Review - Total War Warhammer GTX 1060 1080p DX11 benchmarks

Metro : Last Light

Battlefield 4 Campaign

BF4 campaign benchmark

Clevo P650RP6-G Review - Battlefield 4 GTX 1060 1080p benchmarksClevo P650RP6-G Review - Battlefield 4 GTX 1060 2160p benchmarks

World of Tanks

Clevo P650RP6-G Review - World Of Tanks GTX 1060 1080p benchmarks

Shadow Of Mordor

Clevo P650RP6-G Review - Shadow Of Mordor GTX 1060 1080p benchmarks fixed

Ashes Of Singularity

Clevo P650RP6-G Review - Ashes Of Singularity GTX 1060 1080p DX11 and DX12 benchmarksClevo P650RP6-G Review CPU and GPU clocks Ashes of Singularity 1080pClevo P650RP6-G Review CPU and GPU temps Ashes of Singularity 1080p

Pascal GPUs finally see some performance improvements from DX12 utilization.

Utilization seems to be hitting the maximal capacity of the I7-6700HQ in this machine. I suspect that the GTX 1060 doesn’t show it all here, nor in other laptops with an I7-6700HQ probably

Fallout 4

The new Fallout 4 is rather demanding, but the benefits of the high graphics presets are not clear to me.

ARK: Survival Evolved

The new ARK: Survival Evolved is not completely cooked yet, so don’t take these results too hard. The game obviously need some real optimisations, FPSs are really low and it seems that for nothing, more or less.

Clevo P650RP6-G Review - Ark Survival GTX 1060 1080p DX11 benchmarks

The Talos Principle

Clevo P650RP6-G Review - The Talos Principles GTX 1060 1080p DX11 benchmarks

Rise of the Tomb Raider

Clevo P650RP6-G Review - Rise of The Tomb Raider GTX 1060 1080p DX11 vs DX12 benchmarks

No Man's Sky

Clevo P650RP6-G Review - No Man's Sky GTX 1060 1080p DX11 benchmarks

Star Wars : Battlefront

Clevo P650RP6-G Review - Star Wars Battlefront GTX 1060 1080p DX11 benchmarks

Hitman 2016

Clevo P650RP6-G Review - Hitman 2016 GTX 1060 1080p DX11 benchmarksClevo P650RP6-G Review - Hitman 2016 GTX 1060 1080p DX12 benchmarks

Thermals, Throttling & Noise handling

Stress tests and throttling behavior

As described before, the GPU has three dedicated heatpipes and two fans, the CPU has two pipes and one fan. Cool air sucked from the bottom of the machine (hence, it’s important to keep its bottom above the sitting surface) and is thrown from the rear and left ventilation hole.

Four tests:

1. Idle, power saver mode

2. Gaming : Ashes Of Singularity benchmark. “Crazy” settings, “High performance” power mode.

3. Prime95 torture test. “High performance” power mode.

4. Prime95 + Furmark on 900p test, AAx4. “High performance” power mode.

Clevo P650RP6-G Review CPU and GPU temperatures

The P650RP6 does well. It also doesn’t get too noisy in the process.

As you can see, the clocks are pretty good. Under gaming stress of Ashes of Singularity, the clocks are high, around 3.0-3.1GHZ for the CPU and around 1600-1650MHZ for the GPU core, on average.

 

ThrottleCPU average stableCPU MAXGPU
404241Idle
2.8838645Prime95
2.7788375Prime95 + Furmark
3.1707375Ashes Of Singularity

Heat

Under high load, like gaming load, most of the keyboard and left palm rest get a little too warm. The bottom of the P650RP6-G does get a little warm as well, under high load.

The P650RP6 chassis generally does get warm while loading the system, but only under high load it becomes annoying. Also, with “Quiet” and “Power Saver” power mods (via the Clevo Control Center), the machine chassis’ temps will remain reasonable.

Noise

The P650RP6 has several use profiles. With “Quiet” or “Entertainment”, the laptop is pretty quiet while doing the usual stuff. Under “performance” mode, the fans noise will be often quite noticeable even when doing non-demanding tasks.

Under full load, the fans do spin much faster and produce higher noise, but relatively not that much and the noise is not too annoying. The laptop is not as quiet as the MSI GT62VR, but not as loud as the GS43VR, for example.

* I should probably get some equipment to do more precise measurements, but these are my subjective impressions.

Screen & Screen quality

The Clevo P650RP6 comes with the same LG LP156WF, which is a partial name. This model is used in other laptops as well and it’s generally good, but not great. PWM could not be detected (although that’s not the panel quality, but the laptop’s quality). I do think that it’s time for a higer quality 1080p IPS display. Contrast and response times should be a lot better in an $1500 laptop, if you ask me. Ofcourse, this “should” isn’t compatible with the market rules.

 

The XRite i1Display reading (different from the Spyder5Elite):

ContrastWhite LuminenceBlack LuminenceScreen Brightness
9313110.334100.00%
9471620.17150.00%
947720.07620.00%
ContrastBrightnessBlack levels
7102970.42
sRGBadobeRGBNTSC
927167

Battery Performance

With 62Whr battery, and relatively high power consumption, the battery running times aren’t that great as other laptops with Optimus system.

Clevo P650RP6-G Review battery performance

There was a phenomenon/issue/bug, in “Hybrid” GPU mode, where the Nvidia GPU being fired up for nothing, as a result of clicking some file/app or another, not related to 3D. It shouldn’t happen and it makes battery running times lower compared to laptops with a well working Optimus system.

 

GPU Overlocking

Overclocking the GTX 1060 was relatively stable. I had no problem with OC at all, but I think that part of the reason is that the GPU policy isn’t too aggressive from the first place. That’s part of the reason why the scores are generally lower than the GT62VR’s scores, I think.

  • +167MHZ for the GPU core (~10 to top non boost clocks). The clocks
  • +400MHZ to GDDR5 (8->8.4GHZ effective, 5% improvement)

The results:

  1. Ashes Of Singularity, DX12, 1080p, “High” preset: 52->55FPS, almost 6% improvement
  2. Fallout 4, Ultra, 1080p, FXAA: 62->63FPS, almost 5% improvement
  3. Crysis 3, VH, SMAAx2: 48->52FPS, around 8% improvement

Some game were less fortunate. I would recommend OC’ing the GPU at least a little. Impact on thermals is not big and another 5% could be nice.

 

Issues

  • “System and Compressed Memory Service” high CPU usage. Had to reinstall Intel and NV drivers as well as Intel’s rapid storage drivers.Never really stopped. Still searching for a solution – seems to be fixed after a fresh install of Windows OS
  • Under high load, sometimes the WiFi could have troubles
  • Nvidia Optimus not working efficiently, firing up the NV GPU when unneeded – seems to be fixed after a fresh install of Windows OS
  • Strange low FPSs in some cases (Ashes Of Singularity, Metro) while no throttling – again, fresh install of the OS improved the performance a bit.

Competing gaming laptops / Alternatives

  • There are some models with GTX 1060 for the same price, if OS and 16GB RAM is included, but many won’t need a new OS copy and can buy cheaper ram themselves. Let’s check some:

    • Asus GL502VM (Amazon, Newegg, eBay), $1300-$1400 without an SSD. Has G-Sync (no Optimus), 1080p IPS display, 16GB 2133MHZ RAM, no MXM, no TB3. Comes with Windows OS.
    • MSI GT62VR 6RD (Amazon), review – Heavier and larger. slightly better cooling., MXM GPU, no Optimus option, same display. Slightly higher FPSs in some games, unclear why.
    • MSI GE62 with the same specs. I can’t see its advantage except being maybe a little more lightweight.
    • 17.3″ version of both
    • Soon: the new Alienware 15 and probably cheaper Gigabyte P55W v6

    GTX 1070 options:

    • Clevo P650RS for around $1500-$1600 for basic configuration
    • Asus GL502VS for around $1550-$1700 (there are deals from time to time)
    • Soon, Alienware 15 and some more

    Generally, at this point I’d recommend waiting with the purchases.

Conclusion

The machine itself is quite convincing. It has it all in today’s standard, with lots of connections ports and storage options, for such a laptop, with good basic components like the keyboard and display. Even the speakers got an upgrade if I’m not mistaken. Build quality is probably not that great, but it’s not that bad either, and there are $1500 laptops that are not as good (GL502?). As a result of this, accompanied by the usual GTX 1060 + I7-HQ performance, the P650RP6 strongest point is its value/price ratio. For around $1300-$1350 you can get the system with G-Sync, 8-16GB RAM (installed alone probably) and a 1TB 7200RPM HDD, no Windows. Some resellers probably have some discounts over this price. So if you don’t need the OS and can find your way with RAM upgrades, you should get a very good laptop with very high value/price for $1300-$1400. Talking about this specific machine from HIDEvolution (The “EVOC” brand), it’s worth mentioning that it would be shipped with a modded Prema bios, officially. The Prema bios should unlock many options and perhaps some more performance – it’s not available at this point.

However, the Asus GL502VM for $1400 with the same specs and Windows OS is a strong competitor, but its thermal performance, connection ports plate and storage options are not as good. Plus less locked bios. UPDATE: The GL502VM (review) isn’t as good as the P650RP6 in my opinion, in more than one aspect: mostly thermals and connection ports selection

Important to note that currently my machine gets considerably lower scores in some benchmarks, no matter what I do. I think it might be something with the OS installation that gone wrong, because there are some other software issues as well. I’ll update about the situation when I’ll have more information. UPDATE: fresh OS install improved the situation. Also, GPU overclocking helped closing the gap with the MSI GT62VR 6RD numbers. Seems like the GT62VR has more aggressive GPU clocking policy. Check Overclocking section. However, it seems that in some games the FPSs are noticeably lower, no matter what I do, even with GPU OC – Metro LL, Ashes Of Singularity (vs GT62VR), Rise Of The Tomb Raider and Crysis 3. The difference isn’t big in most cases, but it’s there and unclear to me. It may be the GPU, but I think it could be something else. Let’s wait for the Prema bios update and see.

At this point of time, as new models are still on their way, I would not recommend getting a laptop for such a price unless you get some amazing deal. But, compared to the competition of 15.6″ low weight gaming laptop, the Clevo P650RP6 has an edge, especially with the Prema bios. However, if you don’t care too much about the smaller body and lower weight, I’d consider the MSI GT62VR instead, which can be found for like $1450-$1550 with 128GB SSD and 1TB, has an MXM GPU, Windows OS and – I think – better thermal, but it has its downsides too (Read).

Bottom line, the P650RP6 is a good machine. It has some competition too, but for a smaller frame gaming laptop, it is on the top of the competition probably, with good connection ports selection, G-Sync + Optimus and a very good thermal solution compared to others, including the Asus GL502VM (same price, but better feature-set and thermals). You should think carefully what are your preferences and weigh your options. Feel free to ask!

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Hey Junky! I like your review. However, I am considering to get a P670HP6-G, which is the same thing just with a 17″ screen and the new Kaby Lake CPU. Do you recommend getting it? The final price I would get it for (OS + Shipping + International Warranty) is about 1805 USD. Will it be worth the money?

Junky
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Hi! Thanks!

international warranty? from HIDEvolution?
$1805 is pretty high compared to US prices. Where are you shipping it to?

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May I email you some where? I would like to share some other information and I would like to ask some other questions 🙂

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Oh that was fast 😛 Thanks!

Anurag Reddy Kanuganti
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Anurag Reddy Kanuganti

Hey junky, I recently got the Sager NP8152 (P650RP6-G). Everything was fine with the laptop until one day when it started crashing to the blue screen all of a sudden. I then decided to clean install Windows 10 and formatted both the Sandisk X400 128GB SSD and the 1 TB HDD it came with. I couldn’t complete the installation process as it shows the error code 0x80070570 and it stops at 60%. This makes me wonder if there is any specific method to install the operating system correctly. I may be wrong. You mentioned that you have successfully installed the… Read more »

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Anurag Reddy Kanuganti

I have tried all the possible solutions to avoid that error but nothing seems to work so far

Junky
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Hi Anurag!

I certainly don’t know what happened, but the first thing I would do in your case is check the basic hardware components hardware – RAM and HDD first. You can try and remove one stick of RAM and see if this error returns. You can also use memtest freeware
If the error persists, you can try and install the OS on the HDD just to check

How about warranty?

Anurag Reddy Kanuganti
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Anurag Reddy Kanuganti

Hey. Thanks for the reply. I have tried installing the OS on multiple drives. I think its the RAM fault as well. The problem is I only have a single 8 GB stick of RAM. I was able to install the OS earlier by using rufus for creating bootable USB. But the OS was crashing with an error MEMORY_MANAGEMENT which made me believe that it’s a RAM issue. I tried to repeat the installation the same way but I couldn’t replicate the process. I have tried the stick in different slots but that makes less sense when it’s the stick’s… Read more »

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Anurag Reddy Kanuganti

As far as the warranty is concerned, I’ve got the Sager 2 Year Limited Parts and Labor Warranty.

Junky
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where is your other comment?

1. only one stick of 2133MHZ will probably limit the performance! Either get a 2400MHZ stick or better – get another 8GB, because some games will use more than you have
2. I would first talk to Sager, maybe they can send you replacement ahead of time
3. You can buy a 2x8GB DDR4 ram in the meanwhile

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Anurag Reddy Kanuganti

The one stick I have is a 2400Mhz one. I thought of upgrading the RAM after a few months but another problem is that Sager uses some RAM from a company called Goldkey which I could not find anywhere and when I spoke to Sager’s sales person, he mentioned that they are even selling the same exact RAM if anyone wanted to upgrade in the future. But I cannot see the RAM anywhere on their website. Anyway I will talk to Sager on this issue and please keep me updated if you find any possible solution too. Thanks.

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1. You can use HWInfo or CPU-Z to find your exact ram module, but it doesn’t matter. You can use other RAM as well, as long as it is 2400MHZ DDR4
2. Why don’t you want to use the warranty? wouldn’t it save you some money?
3. Where do you live? USA?

Anurag Reddy Kanuganti
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Anurag Reddy Kanuganti

I live in the United States. Will the warranty cover this since I opened the back panel to swap the hard drives?

Junky
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As far as my experience goes, yes, it should cover it

Anurag Reddy Kanuganti
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Anurag Reddy Kanuganti

Thanks man. I am currently in India. Will contact Sager computers once I land in the US in a week. I’ll be trying to play with all the BIOS settings to see if I find a way. I’ll keep you updated about the entire thing too.

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Hey Junky, first congratulations for this excellent review! I live in Brazil and have a friend visiting me on next month. After some research, I’ve come to this: Clevo Prostar P650RP6 15.6″ FHD/Matte Display, Intel Core i7-6700HQ, 16GB DDR4, GTX 1060 6GB, 256GB SSD, 1TB HDD, Windows 10 Home for $1,200 Shipped I think the G sync version is better, but for this price what is your opinion? I just play occasionally. It wasn’t on my plans to spend this much on a laptop, but I think it’s a good idea to take this opportunity of my friend travel, just… Read more »

Junky
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Thanks Rikawa!

Well, that’s a nice price, but:
a. new laptops with the new Kaby Lake CPU should be available soon. Not much for performance, but lower temperatures. Not that important.
b. You might want to find something with global warranty, which you’ll be able to use in Brazil

Anyway, for $1200 that’s a nice deal. You can probably find laptops with better specs for the same price or a little more though. What exactly are you looking for?

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Hi Junky, thanks for your fast reply. Today I just received a email from newegg saying that they will offer me a free upgrade: “Thank you for your order, I would just like to notify you that we are looking to give you a free upgrade to your unit. The upgraded model is the P650HP6 and the only difference between this model and the P650RP6 is the processor and the screen. The processor will be upgraded to the i7 7700HQ processor as well as an upgrade to the IPS screen. We must have a reply back with your permission in… Read more »

Junky
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Nice!

Yes, probably comes with GSync, but usually it has a “-G” suffix when it does
Are you sure? Even not Dell or Lenovo warranty?

Eric Fan
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This might seem dumb, but how big is the power brick? Is it bulky or small?

Junky
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I should really give more measures, don’t I?
It wasn’t the biggest of them, but it is relatively big and weighs around 700-800 grams

Eric Fan
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Eric Fan

Thanks!

Ric
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Ric

Hey Junky, hey guys, first of all sry for my bad english, but i’m trying my best! 😉 Just looking for a replacement for my shitty Packard Bell laptop from 2010. I definitly wanna go for a Clevo 15″ with gtx 1070, this only out of mobility reasons. I’m fine with FHD and a 6700HQ-CPU. I’m comparing these Barebones now for weeks, from resellers like Schenker/XMG, Mifcom, Sager, ….. , but i cannot figure out the difference between the following two: P650RS-G and P651RS-G Can someone help me out? I checked directly on the Clevo webpage to compare these two… Read more »

Junky
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Hi Ric!!

Yes, I’ve tried figuring it out myself and found no easy differences. It might be something small, with some kind of certifications, power cord or I don’t know what.. Anyway, I don’t think there is significant differences for gaming and such

This is a big jump from this packard bell to a GTX 1070 laptop

Ric
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Ric

Hahaha, u’re so right!! The Packard Bell was a bad choice, had to send it back twice, ofc shortly after the warranty expired (planned obsolescence -.-). But i still can play Dota2 and some other games on it, but i finished uni recently and now i’m allowing myself this little baby! Btw, this would be the “one” 🙂 Intel Core i7-6700HQ, 4x 2.6 GHz (Skylake) Kingston – 8 GB DDR4-2400 (1x8GB) HyperX Impact (SO-DIMM) NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070, 8GB GDDR5, (P650RS-G) <—————————————— !!! SanDisk Z410 – SSD 480 GB, SD8SBBU-480G, SATA-600 Intel Wireless M.2, 867 Mbit WLAN + Bluetooth 4.2… Read more »

Junky
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That’s really high price..
Just as an example, you can get this one for less with SSD and 16GB RAM : https://www.amazon.co.uk/Asus-ROG-GL502VS-DB71-HID3-i7-6700HQ-2-6-3-5GHz/dp/B01KFG3PVO/ref=sr_1_4?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1480511285&sr=1-4&keywords=gtx+1070

Also, you can order one from the US with international warranty

Ric
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Ric

Yes, it is quite expensive. But the Asus is so ugly, also the MSI. I like the purity of the Clevo’s and the cooling system is A+… if you got the right settings ofc (!). I wait for christmas to come to maybe get a XMG with same specs, the support is awesome, a friend of mine got one. Otherwise i go with the one posted.

I was thinking also about the unsoldered versions, but upgrading/replacing CPU/GPU isn’t rly affordable. What do you think?

Ric
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Ric

And ordering from the US, i thought about it, even from the UK coz its EU, but just imagine something is wrong with ur baby. u got to wait weeks over weeks (distance/shipping costs/…).

Junky
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Some laptops like MSI, Asus and the Alienwares have global warranty and you’ll be able to use it locally. May be worth the big difference in price..

Ric
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Ric

I just dont like their style 🙂 as u said, 14 year old gamer looks 😉

Junky
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1. I’m with you on that one – zero branding, nice solid looks, no 14-years old gamer looks (-: 2. Changing the MXM GPU – well, my way of thinking about it is that you’ll be able to purchase previous generation GPU for low price relatively. Like, when the Nvidia 1200 series will be out, you will be able to get the 1100 series for less. In your case it could be worth it, because you are going to purchase a very high priced laptop, which means it will also lose its value pretty quickly and steeply, making it better… Read more »

Ric
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Ric

I hope you are right! But if u think about in which direction the industrie is going, well, what every industry practices for the last 110 years already, is that they want to sell as much as possible. So everything is put on the market slicewise and/or of low quality. In terms of durabiltiy and ofc compatibility i reckon u have to replace at least your motherboard to not have issues with bottlenecking* (is that a word in engl?) in some sort. You just hope that the hardware doesn’t have any defects. If the cooling system works properly and there… Read more »

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1. not necessarily sell more, but they do some calculation of overall income, given some restrictions (like, it’s harder now to use black slaves without being scolded, so they only use almost-slaves in Africa and modern slavery) 2. I’m not native English speaker, ask someone who knows lol (-: 3. I don’t think it will bottleneck, at least not seriously. The MXMs in these laptops use PCIe v.3 x16 bus, which is great for even faster GPUs + as time goes on, they use the bandwidth more efficiently (for example, but compressing the data better) 4. The laptop screens are… Read more »

Ric
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Ric

Your english is awesome, bro! i’m german, i spent a couple of years abroad (Australia/Asia) but i’m realizing while texting you how fast language skillz can fade…. where are u from btw?

I havent rly heard of screenbleeding issues with other brands who are not using the Clevos, maybe it’s a problem with the their adjustment of the screen chassis? Dunno, im feared of getting a bad one tho 😉

So u would recommend an MXM version? Schenker/XMG would be an option then….

Ric
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Ric

a* MXM version

Ric
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Ric

However, the search goes on i suppose 😉

Appreciated your time, u seem to do a great job with reviewing stuff and helping out all these people.

Thx so much.

Junky
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The people help me too. Usually I’ll go for months without doing almost anything thanks to the blues ..

I feel that shelling $2000-$2500 for such a machine is really too much. I’ll consider getting a GTX 1060 laptop from the US or something and replace it in a year or so

Ric
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Ric

ok. but why paying at least 1400 for a laptop with a gtx 1060 and then replace it in a year? u mean selling it? and then gettin what? new 1100 series? That would be a MXM version btw: P751DM2-G <———- did u alrdy reviewed this one? Intel Core i7-6700K, 4×4.0 GHz Quadcore (Skylake) 16GB DDR4-2133 (2x8GB) (SO-DIMM) NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070, 8GB, G-Sync Samsung SM961-NVMe 256 GB (MZVPW256HEGL), M.2 PCIe x4 SSD Samsung 850 PRO – SSD 256 GB, MZ-7KE256, SATA-600 Intel Wireless M.2, 433 Mbit WLAN + Bluetooth 4.2 (3165NGW) 38.6 x 26.2 x 0.7-3.6cm, 3.4kg 2033 EUR… Read more »

Ric
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Ric

For the Volta-GPU, GDDR6 , 7-nm , HBM3 and stuff u got to wait until 2018 tho 🙁

Junky
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Hmm, interesting. How come it is cheaper? and why do you need another Samsung 850 Pro! get a nice cheap SSD if you really want, or a fast 1TB HDD, it would be better

Ric
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Ric

I dont rly know, i configurated it 3 times. the company seems to be quite reputable. i even contacted them via chat on their page to ask for the mxm version and if they could apply proper thermal paste. They answered straight away and rly seem to be on the level. 450 EUR less than XMG with same specs. thats awesome, even better than the Clevos from Hyrican.

i’ll keep u posted!!

Ceo
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Ceo

The difference between those 2 is the texture of the lid, one is brushed aluminium and one is sandblased, if i recal corectly.